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Posted by: Robert Mitchell
Institution: None
Date posted: Tue Oct 28 19:10:26 1997
Message:
..... God gave man the freedom of choice to fallow him in his ... Domain , ... under his Authority , ... as Soverneign in the Universe ... or not. ... (Ge. 2:17)... ... ... Abraham's supreme test of FAITH ... and RESPECT ... for his Creator's position was a manifistation of that choice ... and indeed Abraham .... "as good as offered up Isaac", .... for .... "he reckoned that God was able to raise him up even from the dead". ... (Ge. 22:1-18 ; Heb. 6:13-18 .;. 11:17-19) ... ... ... ... ... ... It was , therefore , this IMPLICIT FAITH backed up by COMPLETE OBEDIENCE that moved God to REINFORCE his covenant with Abraham with a SWORN OATH , a ... SPECIAL LEGAL GUARANTEE. ... ... ... ... ... Abraham passed the test . ... ... ... ...


Posted by: Jay B. McGuire (jay@global-arc.com)
Institution: n/a
Date posted: Mon Feb 17 5:01:35 1997
Message:
The story of Abraham and Isaac generates deep emotional discussion. What could be more abominable than a parent sacrificing a child? We must, having read the story, reflect upon such an horrific concept. (as demonstrated in the televised discussion) The point of the story is, to me simply that...to make us realize the horrible pain of such a sacrifice. While He did not allow Abraham to actually sacrifice Isaac, (demonstrating that He is a loving and merciful God) He did suffer the incredible pain and horror the story depicts when He allowed His only beloved Son, Jesus, to be sacrificed. By having read and discussed Abraham and Isaac, we begin to feel how much God must love us that He made this ultimate sacrifice. The story of Abraham and Isaac serves to make that point. It need not do more than that for me.


Posted by: Alan Longtin
Institution: N/A
Date posted: Sun Feb 16 10:38:05 1997
Message:
I believe that the testing of Abraham was a necessary requirement
for God to be able to restore righteousness to man through Jesus.

There is a constant thread through the bible of God being bound by his 
own law.  God never wished to judge man.  But after the fall in the
Garden, God was obliged to hold man accountable for his sin - accountable
to God's law. The penalty for sin is death and that price must be paid.
God's law could be satisfied through the substitutionary death of
animal sacrifices as in the Mosaic tradition, or through the perfect
sacrifice of Jesus.  

Now a little conjecture. Before God could offer up his own son for
the sake of mankind, God's law required that a man must be found that
would be prepared to do the same.  God could not act unless there was 
a man who was prepared to sacrifice his own son.  That man was Abraham. 

There are sciptual references to support much of this.

Ge: 22:18
"In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because
you have obeyed My voice."

The identity of the "seed" is elaborated on in Galatians.

Gal: 3:16
Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made.  He does not say,
"And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your seed," who is
Christ.

Substituting "Jesus for seed" in Ge:22:18 "In Jesus all nations of the
earth shall be blessed...".  The direct consequence of Abraham's obedience
is the coming substitutionary sacrifice of Christ.  The refrain,
"your son, your only son" in previous verses, seems to resound
God's own commitment.

Suddenly, with this interpretation, what appeared to be a sadistic act
of a spiteful God, is transformed into the act of a loving God intervening
on behalf of all mankind.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          

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  • I Question Your Logic


    Posted by: Kevin Pawlik
    Institution: stranger in a strange land
    Date posted: Mon Jan 6 13:28:24 1997
    Message:
    A response to some posted thoughts:

    "Free will?" God knows our decisions as He is outside of the time domain. We are limited to 4 dimensions whereas God is not. This allows God to 'know the end from the beginning'. Even though God already knows what are decisions will be, we make our choices & are held accountable for them. This also implies God does not have to "learn & grow" in His relationships w/us as some PBS guests have suggested.

    "God wants blind obedience?" If God is who He says He is & can be taken @ His Word( & I would assert that He can )then one may be blind in regards to obeying the 'Why'( e.g. why sacrifice Isaac? )as we know & trust the 'Who'( i.e. God ). Did Abraham have any reason to doubt God? I believe his faith allowed him to obey whether he fully understood God's plan or not. Isaac's faith in God was on par w/Abraham's as he obeyed &, therefore, it was not 'child abuse'. And what is so intrinsically wrong w/obeying God??

    "Why a human sacrifice?" To suggest "giving up a Lexus" as compensation fails to comprehend the moral decay sin involves. A just God cannot allow any imperfection into heaven & simply giving up stuff won't get one off the hook. We could not keep the commands of God ourselves( from Adam forward )& only on the merit of what Jesus did for us, are we able to be forgiven. The shedding of innocent blood( where life is found )is the only acceptable sacrifice( i.e. payment )for sin. The wages of sin is death & the only equivalent payment for this is that of the substitutionary death of an innocent man, Jesus. Jesus is our Passover lamb as His blood allows Death to 'pass over' us. Jesus conquered mankind's greatest fear, death, & did so in a way that we could all relate to, as a man. God was associating Himself w/the lowest of mankind & experiencing the cruellest death. The act was so dramatic( to get our attention..? )that we still talk about it almost 2000 years later.

    some Isaac/Jesus similarities:

    - both carried wood for the sacrifice on their back
    - Isaac was dead 3 days then resurrected( from Abraham's view ) as was Jesus
    - why travel ~30miles to Mt. Moriah? it was here that another Father would sacrifice His only Son( i.e. Jesus )


    Posted by: Dale Cline
    Institution: NA
    Date posted: Fri Dec 27 11:51:04 1996
    Message:
    I believe that God did not so much test Abraham, as he taught Abraham. Prior to Abraham it was quite common for the nomadic pre cursers to the Israelites to sacrifice human beings to appease their gods. By asking Abraham for the sacrifice of his son, and then at the last minute staying Abrahams hand, God was letting the pre-Israelites know that first he was a god of mercy, and secondly, they could honor him through a substitution sacrifice, that they would no longer need to spill innocent human blood to appease him, if indeed they ever needed to in the first place. In the end, I think most of the OT must be viewed as an education period for humanity, just as we teach our children sometimes through dramatic and overstated gestures so did God teach early man object lessons about his desires for how they should conduct themselves. Like a good father, God provided an object lesson to his children that was dramatic enough to be eternally remembered, and universally incorporated.

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  • Except it wasn't.....


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