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Subject: Did the Law make sin or Sin make the Law?
Date: 5/25/98
 From: David R.W. Wadsworth 
 To: Robert Mitchell
 Forum:  Bill Moyer’s Genesis Forum
 Thread: Sin!
 
 Neither!
 
 Robert,
 
 Quoting from Romans, you are obviously, in some respects a Saulist Christian. No matter!
 
 You wrote, "God by making the Law Covenant with Israel,...."
 
 God did not covenant with the Israelite if they keep the Law...! The covenant was already established with 
 Jacob. I'm sorry to my cousins the Jews if what I'm about to write seems harsh. But it is the truth even if 
 the truth is not pleasant! 
 
 When Moses came on the scene, he felt really bad for his people the way they were being abused by the 
 Egyptians. He endeavored to right a grave and gross injustice. Moses sacrifices a tremendous amount for
 his sense of belonging and desire to help his people. Most other people would not rock the boat but be 
 thankful that his sister and brother had set him adrift in the river. Moses gave up a lot and he went 
 through a lot, even from his own people, to get them freed from the Egyptians. So he was rightfully 
 pissed when, after God had delivered them to almost out of harms way and he went up on Mt. Sinai to 
 get further instructions from God, he wasn't gone that long but when he came back, the people were 
 acting like lascivious and licentious hedonists forgetting they were only a few miles and a few hours 
 from four hundred years or torturous enslavement.
 
 I can imagine Moses was really pissed that he gave up a cushy life of nobility for a life as a vagabond,
 homeless drifter in the desert of Egypt for his people who must have been the most ungrateful people
 on the face of the earth! Moses had only been out of their sight a few hours but already they had aband-
 oned God and was worship an animal of all things! 
 
 When Moses came down from Mt. Sinai the first time, he brought with him the Gospel of Jehovah which 
 was based on freedom and belief and NO SACRIFICES! Moses was really excited when he came back to 
 camp but when he say the debauchery of the people, he was furious. In his anger, he threw the tablets 
 at the people.
 
 When he cooled down, he realized he had let his anger get the best of him and he would need a new set 
 of tablets. The climb back to the top of Mt. Sinai was no walk in the park and the higher he climbed, 
 the madder he got. Moses was fit to be tied when he got back to where he had first talked with God 
 but by the time he got there, he was not good conversational material.
 
 Moses spent 40 days and 40 nights haranguing with God over what had to be done. Remember. Moses 
 was not brought up as a pliable, docile Israelite but a very domineering, always getting his own way, 
 son of the Egyptian Pharaoh.
 
 God was willing to forgive the Israelites but Moses was pissed, would have none pof it and insisted 
 on being taught that they can't do that! He insisted the Israelites be given a very tough task master 
 to resemble their enslavement in Egypt since they longed to return to captivity.
 
 God would have no part in Moses' demands because it was exactly like the of The Son of the 
 Morning's Plan for Mankind when he and Michael/Jehovah gave their respective Plans at the Grand 
 Council of all of God's spirit Children in the Pre-existence. The Son of the Morning's Plan was one 
 of coercion and you do something wrong, you immediately got punished!
 
 That was Moses' demand exactly to the "T." Moses threaten to walk away from the whole thing but
 after 40 days and 40 nights, Moses won the day! However, God refused to put His stamp of approval 
 on it by allowing it to be called the Law of God or even the Law of Jehovah. Moses felt that the 
 people had to be so stifled and kept down, that when the Gospel of Jehovah was given to them, they 
 would go to it like a thirsty horse to water! Moses didn't realize he was creating a crutch for the 
 Israelite where no one would have to think, just do!
 
 When the Gospel of Jehovah, this time as the Gospel of Jesus Christ, was given to the remnants of 
 the House of Israel, like their longing for the regimented and structured life of captivity in Egypt,
 then had lived for so long under Moses' thumb nail, they couldn't and wouldn't think independently. 
 They longed so much for the restrictive, lack of freedom where everything they needed was 
 provided for them and they didn't have to think, that they crucified the messiah that had been 
 prophesied for centuries and they all had been waiting for.
 
 But a Jew dare not speak ill of Moses. He was a saint and like they did Moses at first, the Jews 
 reviled Christ and ultimately crucified him for trying to free them from the slavery of their 
 own ignorance. Moses blew it. Rather than teaching them to worship God, he erected a crutch 
 for them freeing them from thinking for themselves. In essence, the Law of Moses was the 
 closest thing to total abdication that God could and did permit.  The Law of Moses, like 
 Communism was Satan’s bastardization of an order of God and made coercive.
 
 Mr. Mitchell,
 
 You’re not helping matters any when you quote from that Pharisee impact to destroy 
 Christianity and man who Christ said was a liar, telling Jews the law is good and “...for by 
 Law is the Accurate Knowledge of Sin." Sin according to Moses yes but according to God, No!
 
 I have absolutely no idea what you are saying in the following and the Spirit of God tells me 
 I’m not the only one, “...now Specifically identified Sin in its Multiple Aspects. ... ... ... The Mouth 
 of any person descended from God's friends Abraham , Isaac, & Jacob who might voice the claim 
 that he was innocent from Sin was thereby, ‘Stopped & all the world [became] liable to God for 
 punishment,....for by Law is the Accurate Knowledge of Sin’ ( Rom. 3:19-20 ). ... ... ... The Law 
 spelled out Clearly what the Full range & Scope of Sin was , so that , in effect , it caused 
 Trespassing & Sin to "Abound" , in that so many Acts & even Attitudes were now identified 
 as Sinful. ( Rom. 5:20 ; 7:7-8 ; Gal. 3:19 ; compare Ps. 40:12 ). ... ... ... Its sacrifices continually 
 served to remind those under the Law of their Sinful State. ( Heb. 10:1-4 , 11). ... ... ... The Law
 by these means acted as a Tutor to Lead them to Christ , that thay (sic) "might be declared 
 righteous due to faith". ( Gal. 3:22-25 ). ... ... ... 
 
 Christ said, "If only I testify of myself, it is a lie!"
 
 No one but Saul of Tarsus said that he was an apostle of Jesus Christ and he was never ordained. 
 For that matter, Saul was never baptized! Therefore, as Christ said, Saul of Tarsus was a liar!
 
 The bonafide, true and ordained Apostle John said, 
  
 1 John 2:18
 
  18 ¶ Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even 
 now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 
 
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 1 John 2:22
 
  22 Who is a liar but he that denieth (sic) that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that 
 denieth (sic) the Father and the Son. 
 
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 1 John 4:3
 
  3 And every spirit that confesseth (sic) not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of 
 God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even
  now already is it in the world. 
 
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  2 John 1:7
 
  7 ¶ For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come
 in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 
 
 Saul of Tarsus even taught that the Gospel of Jesus Christ was actually his -- "my" -- Gospel.  
 He was a Pharisaic Plant to undermine the "Cult" in Jewish Society known as Christianity. He 
 was truly the first Antichrist.
 
 Clarity of writing is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Confusion is of Satan!
 
 A word to the wise, for a true understanding of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, rely only on the 
 teachings of Jesus Christ or His bonafide, ordained Apostles and not the minions of Satan! 
 
 If you are a true Christian and believer in Christ and the Gospel of Jesus Christ, shun Satan 
 and his minions and rely only on Jesus Christ and his ordained Apostles.
 
 Choose you this day whom you will serve, God or Satan! I pray you'll choose to serve God!
 
 
 
 
 David R.W. Wadsworth
 
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 NOTE: Amor gignit amorem (Love begats love). Remember, whether your God is an entity; a personage; a spirit; omniscient; omnipresent; objectivity, enlightenment, intelligence or a concept, God is Love and Satan is hate!
 
 Love and sex, while mutually exclusive, comes in a variety of forms and fashions the beauty and morality of which depends upon its expression.
 
 Man can be assured his God was created in his own image when his God hates the same people he does.
 
 Is anyone so absolutely positive that their beliefs are in fact true, void of any clearly definable proof to the contrary, that after being able to exercise their God given right to freely make a choice, they would condemn someone else  for making a different choice? Such is the Plan of Satan!
 

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